26 thoughts on “Every Vermont town and city voted for ‘reproductive liberty’ Article 22”

1. Unless there is an immaculate conception, there is a man involved…. one who in other cultures would
   stand by the mother and help raise the child…. but the man, in our culture, is totally out of the picture,
   as well as the child they created….. in other cultures this man or father, this woman or mother, along
   with the child is called a family and is treasured as the basic foundation of a society.

   What is a man? What does it mean nowadays to be a man in Vermont?

2. People on here, all I can say to you is RUN, not walk, to Barnes and Noble on Dorset Street and buy Rabbi Jonathan Cahn’s new New York Times best-seller “The Return of the Gods”. It is unlike anything you have ever read. Trust me. Prepare to have your mid blown. It is totally relevant to this discussion. Vermont is toast. I just read it and I am still gob-smacked by it.

   • Kathryn: Since few are likely to run to B&N for Cahn’s book, it would be helpful is you would give us a synopsis of it. We might be more inclined to pick it up.
     Thanks.

3. Perhaps this is an indication of how much people do not want government dictating what they believe is their own right to decide. Defintely a reaction to the overturning of Roe by the Supreme Court.

   • It may be a reaction to overturning Roe, Mr. Freitag. But that’s an entirely over-simplified and misunderstood grievance.

     H.57, for example, was passed in 2019. It already provides access to abortion in Vermont, at any time during a pregnancy, for any reason, or for no reason at all. Article 22 says nothing about women or abortion. It addresses the undefined and unlimited concept of ‘reproductive liberty’ for all. Anything goes… because everything we do is associated with ‘reproduction’… it’s our survival.

     Gender dysphoria mitigation at any age, organ harvesting, all enabled by Article 22, are now fair game. And the title, ‘Reproductive Liberty Act’, is as disingenuous as most legislative titles these days. Yes, the amendment says anyone, and everyone, has ‘reproductive liberty’ – UNLESS THERE IS A COMPELLING STATE INTEREST. And if you believe the BS from the VT ACLU, that the ‘compelling State interest’ language makes changing the law more difficult, think again. What it means is that the courts now have the final say… about anything and everything deemed ‘reproductive’.

     Why is this concept so misunderstood by so many Vermonters? Because organizations like Front Porch Forum and VT Digger actively censored comments like these, all while publishing ads from Planned Parenthood (the profiteers), the League of Women Voters (an oxymoron given our current gender dysphoria), and the VT ACLU (another oxymoronic moniker), promoting Article 22 in every issue.

     Whatever anyone else thinks of Article 22, I’m ashamed by the outcome because so many of my friends and neighbors voted for it. I thought I knew them. I thought they knew me. I was wrong.

     • You well be right that the vote was an over-simplified and misunderstood grievance in regards to the current Supreme Court overturning 50 years of precedence on Roe.

       My observation in listening to discussions on this issue are that some people have the same passionate feelings as to what they feel is their right of reproductive choice as some gun owners have in regards to the 2nd Amendment. In both cases feelings are often so strong as to little room for thoughtful consideration of the issues and their consequences.

       • You can’t help yourself, can you. There are no 2nd amendment advocates I know advocating for the right to shoot and kill someone, anyone, at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all.

         • Ah Jay, I was not trying to compare the issues on their merits, just the intensity of the feelings of those who feel their rights threatened by the government. Basically, trying to make sense out of this lopsided vote that took many, including yourself, by surprise.

         • Since when are “passionate feelings as to what they feel is their right” not based on merit? People have passionate feelings for all sorts of things. You focused the comparison on the 2nd amendment. So did I.

     • Jay, you got it exactly right.
       I support a woman’s right to choose. That is: no woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy she did not intend. Although, I do believe women should do more to prevent the pregnancy in the first place. Still, I voted NO because abortion, at this time anyway, is secure in VT. If it wasn’t I would have voted YES. My vote was about the vague language.
       You can’t blame FPF, VTDigger or anyone else. Repubs did a TERRIBLE job campaigning on this issue. It never should have been about abortion.
       It was a terrible strategy to hammer away at late-term abortion. I was disappointed that they didn’t acknowledge that abortion access is secure in VT and that the vague language, and its unintended consequences was their target. Instead, they made it a religious issue. Something they stupidly do all the time. They are their own worst enemy.

       • Re: “You can’t blame FPF, VTDigger or anyone else.”

         Yes, I can, Joy. As I hold us both responsible for our political positions – the policies we presume to impose on ourselves and others.

         If someone reads FPF and VT Digger for their daily dose of current events and political sentiment, and these outlets refuse to publish anything that criticizes a specific narrative, who is to blame? Most of my friends and neighbors don’t read TNR or VDC. But why should they have to do so to get a balanced picture of our world?

         Did Republicans ‘do a terrible job’? Well, one thing is certain: they didn’t win many seats. But is that because they did a poor job? Or is it, as the first comment in this thread contends, that the two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch placed their order?

         • Yes, it is because “Repubs did a VERY poor job” campaigning on Art 22. Focusing on late-term abortions wasn’t smart in this state. I voted NO on Art. 22 but, I didn’t take serious any of their scare tactics.
           As I said before, it was the vagueness of the language.

           Given the partisan news reporting, your friends and neighbors do need to seek non-partisan reporting. It’s a no-brainer.

   • John abortion was a topic that the media was obsessed with- but yet I never had a single conversation with anyone at all about this- and I do a whole lot of talking politics to people.
     The economy was the only thing that people ever brought up..

     Seems there was quite a disconnect between what the media was talking about and what real people were talking about.
     But yet look at the election results- how odd eh?

4. Turning away from God. I’m afraid Vermont will pay the price.
   Revenge is mine says the Lord!

   • Revenge is mine says the Lord ? Not sure this is a biblical quote. Certainly not something Jesus ever said.

     • Ms. Allaire didn’t say Jesus uttered those words, Mr. Freitag. And, despite your continued deflections and false prophesies, while it was Moses who was the original scribe, God authored the words “It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them.” (Deuteronomy 32:35)

       • The Lord of the Old Testement was indeed pretty severe and examples are rife not only in Deuterornomy but also Leviticus.

         The teaching of Jesus as presented in the Gospels that superseded the older Book speak more to the power of love and forgiveness. While I personally attempt to hold to that, it is up to each individual to find thier own way.

         For us mortals to attempt to speak for God or threaten His wrath on those who do not see it our way may be a bit presumptionous. It might be far better to lead by example and from the heart.

         • Mr. Freitag, how you so conveniently forget that “Ms. Allaire didn’t say Jesus uttered those words”? And no one said the Gospels don’t speak to the power of love and forgiveness. And Ms. Allaire didn’t threaten anyone. She expressed a fear that ‘Vermont will pay a price’ for its indiscretions.

           Your persistent innuendo and false dichotomy are a test of faith to be sure. You forsake God’s commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) when making the claim that the New Testament ‘supersedes’ the Old Book. Are you presuming to speak for God?

           Matthew 5:17-20 (The New Testament)
           “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

           It’s not a threat, Mr. Freitag. It’s a prophesy.

   • Religious ambushing has gotten the Repubs NOWHERE.

5. My town, Westminster (next to Putney), voted 1,145 to 249. That’s 78.5% in favor of Article 22. A bit more than the State average. And to be honest, although I spoke out and voted against Article 22, I still feel a sense of shame with this result. Where do we go from here? Lord only knows.

   • This is all stunning information
     They didn’t go for this ‘a little’, they went for this A LOT.
     And what does this say?
     Nothing good..

     I’m finding it interesting that the Dartmouth region, of largely medical staff and a lot of high end professionals- what we think of as “so intelligent”, went for this poorly worded disaster.
     What happened to “First Do No Harm” for these people?
     Now can they see why there is such little faith in the medical community today?
     It’s really sickening Jay.

     Great reporting TNR showing this to the people.
     Hat tip to you!!

     • this may explain A LOT. please help spread it around

       https://www.stewpeters.com/video/2022/11/live-world-premiere-died-suddenly/#gf_6

       • above link is to “movie” DIED SUDDENLY

         Exposes many uncomfortable truths re the vax scandal

     • What happened to “First Do No Harm” for these people?

       First, make money.

       • Right again, Jay.

   • Seems rgewre’s little hope for the unborn in VT.
     I wonder how many are aware of
     the situations described by James OKeefe HERE

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-L_wfbhXc

     I dare say there may be similar situations here.

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